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		<title>Comment on Factory Prisons and the Creation of a Sociopath Society Pt. IV by Grainne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grainne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 18:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No I would not agree the current government is Sociopathic in its behavior.  One of my pet peeves is the misuse of psychological terms and diagnosis&#039; in popular culture and terms.  It sounds great and scary but it also sways public opinion in a direction that is unrealistic and unreal.  What our government is,is militaristic, diabolic, controlling and has delusions of granduer.  Really, it is delusional they way as a whole the government thinks it can sustain this unreality.  But Sociopathic, no.  Definately not, because it would not be sustainable.  Probably the closest a government has come to being Sociopathic is in the overthrow of Liberia in the 80&quot;s.  The difference is the crazy, unsustainable behavior displayed by the overthrowing gangs of the government there was truly unsustainable.  They tore that country down.  

Yes our government officials are hostile and mean, but they are not uncaring of outcomes, they care about outcomes greatly, therefore, they are not Sociopathic. 

Yes it is easy to arrest anyone.  But, to an extent everyone is complicit in this.  We allow it because of our own fears.  We voted for it in many cases and we do not stand up and go to jail in support of our beliefs. We still want desperately to believe we as an individual can make a difference.  After all isn&#039;t that what we were brainwashed in school to believe?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No I would not agree the current government is Sociopathic in its behavior.  One of my pet peeves is the misuse of psychological terms and diagnosis&#8217; in popular culture and terms.  It sounds great and scary but it also sways public opinion in a direction that is unrealistic and unreal.  What our government is,is militaristic, diabolic, controlling and has delusions of granduer.  Really, it is delusional they way as a whole the government thinks it can sustain this unreality.  But Sociopathic, no.  Definately not, because it would not be sustainable.  Probably the closest a government has come to being Sociopathic is in the overthrow of Liberia in the 80&#8243;s.  The difference is the crazy, unsustainable behavior displayed by the overthrowing gangs of the government there was truly unsustainable.  They tore that country down.  </p>
<p>Yes our government officials are hostile and mean, but they are not uncaring of outcomes, they care about outcomes greatly, therefore, they are not Sociopathic. </p>
<p>Yes it is easy to arrest anyone.  But, to an extent everyone is complicit in this.  We allow it because of our own fears.  We voted for it in many cases and we do not stand up and go to jail in support of our beliefs. We still want desperately to believe we as an individual can make a difference.  After all isn&#8217;t that what we were brainwashed in school to believe?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Factory Prisons and the Creation of a Sociopath Society Pt. IV by karlsie</title>
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		<dc:creator>karlsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 06:27:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grainne, i don&#039;t think anti-social is a strong enough term.  I agree, the US is currently experiencing some very anti-social behavior, which probably began when &quot;social&quot; became a dirty word, meant only for parties and teaching kids how to make friends in school.  However, &quot;creating&quot; is an active tense, implying as yet, an unfinished product.  

Would you agree the federal government is currently sociopath in its behavior?  I point to various branches; the FBI, CIA, Homeland Security, TSA... that have committed open, hostile acts against citizens of this country and blatantly hideous acts against the citizens on foreign soil.  They commit these acts without feelings of remorse, guilt or moral conscience.  Have they apologized for Guantanamo, for depleted uranium weapons, for the brutal confinement of Bradly Manning?  I point to officers of the law who get away with openly brutal acts through the sanctions of the courts and the support of fellow officers. 

Are these hostile acts the subjects of candidates running for office, and are they the priority of eligible voters?  No.  The issues are fair tax, legal discrimination and gun control.  The very fact that Americans could entertain the thought that discrimination against anyone is okay proves how close we are stepping to the creation of a sociopath society.  That they have not put legalized brutality on the top of the agenda shows how much they have accepted that our legal system has the right to be brutal.  

Will, that is exactly the point i am trying to make.  It is entirely too easy for law enforcement to arrest anyone they please; especially for assault on an officer, which is a felony charge.  One illusion i really hate to point out is that a person can be &quot;invisible&quot;.  Actually, the fewer means they have of tracking you, i.e., taking a bus instead of driving, self-employed or working for a small business, not receiving any government subsidies, loans, grants or social services, the more you fall under their radar.  Even intelligence is suspect.  I have heard more than once by people with absolutely clean records that a policeman had informed them, &quot;I don&#039;t believe you&#039;re not breaking the law.  You&#039;re just too smart to get caught.&quot;  This is the atmosphere we have to deal with today.  We are all guilty in the eyes of the law.  It&#039;s just a matter of when they want to deal with us.  Not if- but when.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grainne, i don&#8217;t think anti-social is a strong enough term.  I agree, the US is currently experiencing some very anti-social behavior, which probably began when &#8220;social&#8221; became a dirty word, meant only for parties and teaching kids how to make friends in school.  However, &#8220;creating&#8221; is an active tense, implying as yet, an unfinished product.  </p>
<p>Would you agree the federal government is currently sociopath in its behavior?  I point to various branches; the FBI, CIA, Homeland Security, TSA&#8230; that have committed open, hostile acts against citizens of this country and blatantly hideous acts against the citizens on foreign soil.  They commit these acts without feelings of remorse, guilt or moral conscience.  Have they apologized for Guantanamo, for depleted uranium weapons, for the brutal confinement of Bradly Manning?  I point to officers of the law who get away with openly brutal acts through the sanctions of the courts and the support of fellow officers. </p>
<p>Are these hostile acts the subjects of candidates running for office, and are they the priority of eligible voters?  No.  The issues are fair tax, legal discrimination and gun control.  The very fact that Americans could entertain the thought that discrimination against anyone is okay proves how close we are stepping to the creation of a sociopath society.  That they have not put legalized brutality on the top of the agenda shows how much they have accepted that our legal system has the right to be brutal.  </p>
<p>Will, that is exactly the point i am trying to make.  It is entirely too easy for law enforcement to arrest anyone they please; especially for assault on an officer, which is a felony charge.  One illusion i really hate to point out is that a person can be &#8220;invisible&#8221;.  Actually, the fewer means they have of tracking you, i.e., taking a bus instead of driving, self-employed or working for a small business, not receiving any government subsidies, loans, grants or social services, the more you fall under their radar.  Even intelligence is suspect.  I have heard more than once by people with absolutely clean records that a policeman had informed them, &#8220;I don&#8217;t believe you&#8217;re not breaking the law.  You&#8217;re just too smart to get caught.&#8221;  This is the atmosphere we have to deal with today.  We are all guilty in the eyes of the law.  It&#8217;s just a matter of when they want to deal with us.  Not if- but when.</p>
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		<title>Comment on War Crimes by W.D. Noble</title>
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		<dc:creator>W.D. Noble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 04:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Rule of law&quot; truly is a joke - we have the rights we are willing to fight for; people are held accountable only if we demand it.

&quot;Power accedes nothing without a demand&quot;, said Frederick Douglass.  He was right in the 1860&#039;s, and he&#039;s right today.

Having followed the Kuala Lumpur trial rather closely, I think it&#039;s safe to say that this wasn&#039;t just a play by a political party; it&#039;s a genuine attempt to invoke international law to rein-in the American Empire.

It won&#039;t happen - because those in power aren&#039;t going to listen to this &#039;demand&#039; until/unless it&#039;s enforced with public hangings and plenty of blood.

I keep saying this - and it&#039;s also true:  You are either a rebel, or a slave.  

Choose well....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Rule of law&#8221; truly is a joke &#8211; we have the rights we are willing to fight for; people are held accountable only if we demand it.</p>
<p>&#8220;Power accedes nothing without a demand&#8221;, said Frederick Douglass.  He was right in the 1860&#8242;s, and he&#8217;s right today.</p>
<p>Having followed the Kuala Lumpur trial rather closely, I think it&#8217;s safe to say that this wasn&#8217;t just a play by a political party; it&#8217;s a genuine attempt to invoke international law to rein-in the American Empire.</p>
<p>It won&#8217;t happen &#8211; because those in power aren&#8217;t going to listen to this &#8216;demand&#8217; until/unless it&#8217;s enforced with public hangings and plenty of blood.</p>
<p>I keep saying this &#8211; and it&#8217;s also true:  You are either a rebel, or a slave.  </p>
<p>Choose well&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Factory Prisons and the Creation of a Sociopath Society Pt. IV by W.D. Noble</title>
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		<dc:creator>W.D. Noble</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 May 2012 04:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of my favorite writers (now deceased) put it best: &quot;Most of us exercise our rights lightly, if at all.  Remember - you never know you&#039;re in prison until you try the door.&quot;

When we&#039;re all &#039;inside&#039;, we&#039;ll know.  Something tells me that unless we either find the exits or a way to make ourselves invisible, that time&#039;s not far off....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of my favorite writers (now deceased) put it best: &#8220;Most of us exercise our rights lightly, if at all.  Remember &#8211; you never know you&#8217;re in prison until you try the door.&#8221;</p>
<p>When we&#8217;re all &#8216;inside&#8217;, we&#8217;ll know.  Something tells me that unless we either find the exits or a way to make ourselves invisible, that time&#8217;s not far off&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on War Crimes by Azazel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Azazel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 18:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You seem to be mistaken Karlsie - this isn&#039;t a matter of &quot;balls&quot; and never was: it&#039;s a of interests - and the political class has no interest in holding their own kind accountable for abuse of power because they don&#039;t want to be held accountable themselves.  

The notion of the &quot;rule of law&quot; is a joke because some one will always be above the &quot;law&quot; (i.e. the people who make, enforce and interpret them)...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You seem to be mistaken Karlsie &#8211; this isn&#8217;t a matter of &#8220;balls&#8221; and never was: it&#8217;s a of interests &#8211; and the political class has no interest in holding their own kind accountable for abuse of power because they don&#8217;t want to be held accountable themselves.  </p>
<p>The notion of the &#8220;rule of law&#8221; is a joke because some one will always be above the &#8220;law&#8221; (i.e. the people who make, enforce and interpret them)&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Fair Trade! It Isn&#8217;t Just About Coffee Anymore by Azazel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Azazel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 06:06:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The simple fact of the matter here is that we have reached the &quot;fuck it&quot; point (see this documentary for more details... http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/the-fuck-it-point/ ) and no amount of &quot;fair trade&quot; is going to fix that - the entire economic system of modern &quot;civilization&quot; is built upon resource exploitation (that&#039;s how the elite make their profits) and if they ever seriously started dealing fairly with other people in trade negotiations the entire structure of society would fail!  Why do you think this abundance of consumer goods like coffee (a beverage I always found disgusting, BTW...), electronics and petro-chemical based products (particularly fertalizers, paints, cleaning products, etc...) came into existence in the first place?  It only exists because some one is ripping resources out of the planet at an alarming rate and at relatively low overhead cost!

This mode of living that most people in the West have today is unsustainable - when Peak Oil hits modern society as we know it ends...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The simple fact of the matter here is that we have reached the &#8220;fuck it&#8221; point (see this documentary for more details&#8230; <a href="http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/the-fuck-it-point/" rel="nofollow">http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/the-fuck-it-point/</a> ) and no amount of &#8220;fair trade&#8221; is going to fix that &#8211; the entire economic system of modern &#8220;civilization&#8221; is built upon resource exploitation (that&#8217;s how the elite make their profits) and if they ever seriously started dealing fairly with other people in trade negotiations the entire structure of society would fail!  Why do you think this abundance of consumer goods like coffee (a beverage I always found disgusting, BTW&#8230;), electronics and petro-chemical based products (particularly fertalizers, paints, cleaning products, etc&#8230;) came into existence in the first place?  It only exists because some one is ripping resources out of the planet at an alarming rate and at relatively low overhead cost!</p>
<p>This mode of living that most people in the West have today is unsustainable &#8211; when Peak Oil hits modern society as we know it ends&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dragons on the Wind by karlsie</title>
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		<dc:creator>karlsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 01:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This story captures that part of us that yearns for all things beautiful and imaginative.  Now, i will always wonder, when sitting in a special spot where the trees rustle, the water murmurs and from somewhere far away floats the mysterious but unmistakable sounds of music, if i am listening to the wind dragons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This story captures that part of us that yearns for all things beautiful and imaginative.  Now, i will always wonder, when sitting in a special spot where the trees rustle, the water murmurs and from somewhere far away floats the mysterious but unmistakable sounds of music, if i am listening to the wind dragons.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Gone to the Dogs by karlsie</title>
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		<dc:creator>karlsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 00:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a fantastic story!  That little twist makes me ponder the mental workings of Paddy dear.  He had to have had a good survival instinct; drunk or no, it was the cleverest answer any man could have come up with.  I&#039;m also thinking... they fell into a pretty good sum of money.  There had to be some left over, right?  Even after a night of drinking.  I&#039;m sure that discovering the bonus funds did much to increase the wife&#039;s enthusiasm over his comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a fantastic story!  That little twist makes me ponder the mental workings of Paddy dear.  He had to have had a good survival instinct; drunk or no, it was the cleverest answer any man could have come up with.  I&#8217;m also thinking&#8230; they fell into a pretty good sum of money.  There had to be some left over, right?  Even after a night of drinking.  I&#8217;m sure that discovering the bonus funds did much to increase the wife&#8217;s enthusiasm over his comment.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Fair Trade! It Isn&#8217;t Just About Coffee Anymore by karlsie</title>
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		<dc:creator>karlsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 May 2012 00:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jane, great article.  I don&#039;t think most people even think about the qualities of fair trade, other than their Starbucks coffee and a slow, but steady drive to eat organic produce other than Monsanto&#039;s obnoxious products.  The mineral industry is one of the most corrupt businesses out there yet it doesn&#039;t even get more than a burp, other than the Hollywood sensation, &quot;Blood Diamond&quot;.  Which reminds me, (actually what i was building up to) vote no on the Pebbles Mine Development.  Join the seafood restaurant businesses voting no to harmful mining practices that would disturb the spawning grounds and estuaries of the Bristol Bay.  The companies that wish to develop this mine, Anglo-American and Northern Dynasty, to build the largest open pit mine in the world, extracting gold, copper, coal, tungsten and diamonds, are the same companies enslaving African workers.  Tell them no!  Clean water is more important than mineral gluttony and you can&#039;t eat diamonds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane, great article.  I don&#8217;t think most people even think about the qualities of fair trade, other than their Starbucks coffee and a slow, but steady drive to eat organic produce other than Monsanto&#8217;s obnoxious products.  The mineral industry is one of the most corrupt businesses out there yet it doesn&#8217;t even get more than a burp, other than the Hollywood sensation, &#8220;Blood Diamond&#8221;.  Which reminds me, (actually what i was building up to) vote no on the Pebbles Mine Development.  Join the seafood restaurant businesses voting no to harmful mining practices that would disturb the spawning grounds and estuaries of the Bristol Bay.  The companies that wish to develop this mine, Anglo-American and Northern Dynasty, to build the largest open pit mine in the world, extracting gold, copper, coal, tungsten and diamonds, are the same companies enslaving African workers.  Tell them no!  Clean water is more important than mineral gluttony and you can&#8217;t eat diamonds.</p>
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		<title>Comment on War Crimes by karlsie</title>
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		<dc:creator>karlsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 23:50:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This has been more than a campaign by some small Asian countries.  I&#039;ve heard of the efforts to try Bush for war crimes, and some of the proponents came from some pretty impressive countries.  Western Europe, and in particular, Switzerland, Sweden and Denmark have been quite vocal in their opinions concerning Bush Crimes.  

I don&#039;t see any quick gathering of forces to indict Bush and sweep him into the arms of justice, but i think i see a slowly changing global opinion on what can be done and the degree of power illustrated in numbers to do it.  A few precedents come to mind... Russia throws its swindling billionaire in jail, Iceland retaliates against its Icesave bankruptcy by throwing their culprits in jail, Goldman Sacs shakes down a few leading executives and threatens them with jail.. Well, that&#039;s a limp wrist gesture, but you get the picture.  

Obama has no balls.  He&#039;s flopped around his entire term,promising an end to atrocities like Guantanamo Bay, while holding a clown&#039;s court for treason, proposing green energy while supporting gas frakking and off-shore drilling, and now, in one last desperate fling to win back the liberals, he says he supports the gay community.  That should not be a welcoming statement for the gays since it comes from the man with forked tongue.  

Most likely, America has no balls, either.  The vast majority still prefers to take a shot at becoming an American Idol than try to figure out what the hell is wrong with this country and divert the cash for make-up and crew into an effort to make improvements.  The spotlight is the American dream, nothing more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has been more than a campaign by some small Asian countries.  I&#8217;ve heard of the efforts to try Bush for war crimes, and some of the proponents came from some pretty impressive countries.  Western Europe, and in particular, Switzerland, Sweden and Denmark have been quite vocal in their opinions concerning Bush Crimes.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see any quick gathering of forces to indict Bush and sweep him into the arms of justice, but i think i see a slowly changing global opinion on what can be done and the degree of power illustrated in numbers to do it.  A few precedents come to mind&#8230; Russia throws its swindling billionaire in jail, Iceland retaliates against its Icesave bankruptcy by throwing their culprits in jail, Goldman Sacs shakes down a few leading executives and threatens them with jail.. Well, that&#8217;s a limp wrist gesture, but you get the picture.  </p>
<p>Obama has no balls.  He&#8217;s flopped around his entire term,promising an end to atrocities like Guantanamo Bay, while holding a clown&#8217;s court for treason, proposing green energy while supporting gas frakking and off-shore drilling, and now, in one last desperate fling to win back the liberals, he says he supports the gay community.  That should not be a welcoming statement for the gays since it comes from the man with forked tongue.  </p>
<p>Most likely, America has no balls, either.  The vast majority still prefers to take a shot at becoming an American Idol than try to figure out what the hell is wrong with this country and divert the cash for make-up and crew into an effort to make improvements.  The spotlight is the American dream, nothing more.</p>
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