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		<title>By: Dharmacharya Gurudas Sunyatananda</title>
		<link>http://subversify.com/2009/11/28/a-death-in-realtime/comment-page-1/#comment-3509</link>
		<dc:creator>Dharmacharya Gurudas Sunyatananda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 00:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott:

Sorry I don&#039;t follow any reasonable logic in the idea that &quot;(a)s long as you sign up to [sic] the idea of teaching, you sign up to [sic] the idea of punishment as a method.&quot;

Perhaps you don&#039;t understand the difference between punishment and corrections, but I do. One can imprison someone for murder, if that is prescribed by law. One could exile them to a remote island, if that is the local law. But there is never, in my opinion (whether you like it or not), a valid reason to inflict violence and murder another person as an imbecilic response to their having done the same thing. Disrespect for human life is disrespect for human life. Either ALL life is sacred or none is. 

What I would personally do is imprison them, train them, TEACH them, and work with them from a psycho-social perspective, until they were truly rehabilitated. I would NOT then release them from prison, but would imprison them in a lower-security &quot;prison&quot; of sorts, where they would have to work and produce &quot;something&quot; of value to pay for their imprisonment (including previous years&#039; of imprisonment).

The only time such brutal acts of violence may be justified is in the case of self-defense, in which case I don&#039;t believe the act is intended as violence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott:</p>
<p>Sorry I don&#8217;t follow any reasonable logic in the idea that &#8220;(a)s long as you sign up to [sic] the idea of teaching, you sign up to [sic] the idea of punishment as a method.&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps you don&#8217;t understand the difference between punishment and corrections, but I do. One can imprison someone for murder, if that is prescribed by law. One could exile them to a remote island, if that is the local law. But there is never, in my opinion (whether you like it or not), a valid reason to inflict violence and murder another person as an imbecilic response to their having done the same thing. Disrespect for human life is disrespect for human life. Either ALL life is sacred or none is. </p>
<p>What I would personally do is imprison them, train them, TEACH them, and work with them from a psycho-social perspective, until they were truly rehabilitated. I would NOT then release them from prison, but would imprison them in a lower-security &#8220;prison&#8221; of sorts, where they would have to work and produce &#8220;something&#8221; of value to pay for their imprisonment (including previous years&#8217; of imprisonment).</p>
<p>The only time such brutal acts of violence may be justified is in the case of self-defense, in which case I don&#8217;t believe the act is intended as violence.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 21:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It’s sickening to have to realise that we live in such a closed-minded, unhealthy theocracy that imagines it makes ANY sense to kill someone for killing someone to “teach them” (and others) that killing someone is wrong.&quot;

I expect the emphasis should be on the &quot;others&quot; part since killing someone doesn&#039;t actually teach them much, at least as far as I know however I could be wrong about that.

What would you do instead? Beat them with a stick? Make them watch bad TV? AS long as you sign up to the idea of teaching, you sign up to the idea of punishment as a method.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It’s sickening to have to realise that we live in such a closed-minded, unhealthy theocracy that imagines it makes ANY sense to kill someone for killing someone to “teach them” (and others) that killing someone is wrong.&#8221;</p>
<p>I expect the emphasis should be on the &#8220;others&#8221; part since killing someone doesn&#8217;t actually teach them much, at least as far as I know however I could be wrong about that.</p>
<p>What would you do instead? Beat them with a stick? Make them watch bad TV? AS long as you sign up to the idea of teaching, you sign up to the idea of punishment as a method.</p>
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		<title>By: Dharmacharya Gurudas Sunyatananda</title>
		<link>http://subversify.com/2009/11/28/a-death-in-realtime/comment-page-1/#comment-3491</link>
		<dc:creator>Dharmacharya Gurudas Sunyatananda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 02:42:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s sickening to have to realise that we live in such a closed-minded, unhealthy theocracy that imagines it makes ANY sense to kill someone for killing someone to &quot;teach them&quot; (and others) that killing someone is wrong.

Sickening and disgraceful.

They can keep their vengeful gods, created in their own petty images.

Namaste!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s sickening to have to realise that we live in such a closed-minded, unhealthy theocracy that imagines it makes ANY sense to kill someone for killing someone to &#8220;teach them&#8221; (and others) that killing someone is wrong.</p>
<p>Sickening and disgraceful.</p>
<p>They can keep their vengeful gods, created in their own petty images.</p>
<p>Namaste!</p>
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		<title>By: Rich In PA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rich In PA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 23:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one deserves to die at the hands of another person. Texas is so out of bounds on this particular point that the Supreme Court should re-consider a ban on all executions.  The death penalty is immoral, just like so much else we have de-sensitized ourselves into believing is some kind of &quot;public good&quot; policy.  DNA evidence has shown that there are many on death row who did not commit the crimes they were found guilty of .. if there is a chance that just ONE innocent person could be put to death, the death penalty cannot/should not be imposed.  The fact is that people of color and the poor are more likely to receive the sentence than White people .. we all know this is true.  Any Christian who supports the death penalty cannot have read and understood the Bible ... no civilized nation still has the death penalty, just us and China and Saudia Arabia .... I just hate this story and any argument that can justify this barbaric political behavior ... For years the death penalty was supposed to be a deterrent to &quot;capital&quot; crimes, except that Americans came out in droves and held a carnival to witness the events.  It was so politically and nationally embarrassing that there have been no public executions since 1937. Vengeance is MINE sayth the Lord.  Merry Christmas Texas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one deserves to die at the hands of another person. Texas is so out of bounds on this particular point that the Supreme Court should re-consider a ban on all executions.  The death penalty is immoral, just like so much else we have de-sensitized ourselves into believing is some kind of &#8220;public good&#8221; policy.  DNA evidence has shown that there are many on death row who did not commit the crimes they were found guilty of .. if there is a chance that just ONE innocent person could be put to death, the death penalty cannot/should not be imposed.  The fact is that people of color and the poor are more likely to receive the sentence than White people .. we all know this is true.  Any Christian who supports the death penalty cannot have read and understood the Bible &#8230; no civilized nation still has the death penalty, just us and China and Saudia Arabia &#8230;. I just hate this story and any argument that can justify this barbaric political behavior &#8230; For years the death penalty was supposed to be a deterrent to &#8220;capital&#8221; crimes, except that Americans came out in droves and held a carnival to witness the events.  It was so politically and nationally embarrassing that there have been no public executions since 1937. Vengeance is MINE sayth the Lord.  Merry Christmas Texas.</p>
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		<title>By: grainnerhuad</title>
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		<dc:creator>grainnerhuad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 21:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Matthew, 
funny how Americans will stuff their faces with popcorn and cheer at the latest Quintin Tarrentino installation of mayhem, havock and gunslinging, passing high fives and congratulating themselves on the gore-fest of a killing spree in big screen action, but entirely miss the tongue in cheek of the presentment.  The satire of humanity, and our own duplicity of expectations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Matthew,<br />
funny how Americans will stuff their faces with popcorn and cheer at the latest Quintin Tarrentino installation of mayhem, havock and gunslinging, passing high fives and congratulating themselves on the gore-fest of a killing spree in big screen action, but entirely miss the tongue in cheek of the presentment.  The satire of humanity, and our own duplicity of expectations.</p>
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		<title>By: forex robot</title>
		<link>http://subversify.com/2009/11/28/a-death-in-realtime/comment-page-1/#comment-3352</link>
		<dc:creator>forex robot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 03:57:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good article as usual!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good article as usual!</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:02:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ grainnerhuad

Actually he DID kill someone.  He and his partner, the one that killed that particular clerk, had been on a crime spree where 3 people were killed and Thompson admitted to being the gunman in the other two killings.  Astra, and most media that covered Thompson&#039;s execution, conveniently fail to mention that fact.  He deserved his punishment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ grainnerhuad</p>
<p>Actually he DID kill someone.  He and his partner, the one that killed that particular clerk, had been on a crime spree where 3 people were killed and Thompson admitted to being the gunman in the other two killings.  Astra, and most media that covered Thompson&#8217;s execution, conveniently fail to mention that fact.  He deserved his punishment.</p>
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		<title>By: grainnerhuad</title>
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		<dc:creator>grainnerhuad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 17:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Indeed I would definately put this Govenor in the same categories as murderer, particularly since this individual did not even kill anyone, he shot a gun over someone&#039;s head. I personally am undecided on capital punishment but not when the case is so clearly for spectacle and numbers. If there were that mythical place, &quot;Hell&quot; this govenor would surely have his seat saved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Indeed I would definately put this Govenor in the same categories as murderer, particularly since this individual did not even kill anyone, he shot a gun over someone&#8217;s head. I personally am undecided on capital punishment but not when the case is so clearly for spectacle and numbers. If there were that mythical place, &#8220;Hell&#8221; this govenor would surely have his seat saved.</p>
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		<title>By: karlsie</title>
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		<dc:creator>karlsie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 06:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems almost as though the matter of guilt or degree of heinous crime is not the question at all, but that we should have a show and a reason to keep the bloody lions.  Two hundred forty seven executions in one governorship is a lot.  They could hold a Saturday matinee on that number, sell tickets, hotdogs, popcorn and soda pop.  Think about the enormous publicity it would bring, the patriotic drumming of heart beats if a man should pull the executioner&#039;s switch for one of his children, his wife or a parent. Here is a man who upholds the law, whatever the law might be.  Beat the drums, applaud him, place him in front of the cameras.  

It&#039;s sad that we have so many who would rather look good than be good, who would rather dismiss problems than resolve them.  Even without the question of guilt in the equation, or the disproportionate numbers for people of color, there are many reasons for killing.  If you can&#039;t perceive of a reason for a person to kill, than you have no place as a judge or on a jury that decides the extent of guilt and whether or not it should be punishable by death.  Your pronouncement of death not only places you in the same bed as the murderer and executioner, if your lips have proclaimed, &quot;murdering is against the law and punishable by death,&quot; you are a hypocrite.  You have just enabled a body of people to commit murder and sanctified it by calling it law.  The government should not be above the law, and the law should not turn us into automatons, willing to destroy family members and turn our backs on our homes in the interest of serving it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems almost as though the matter of guilt or degree of heinous crime is not the question at all, but that we should have a show and a reason to keep the bloody lions.  Two hundred forty seven executions in one governorship is a lot.  They could hold a Saturday matinee on that number, sell tickets, hotdogs, popcorn and soda pop.  Think about the enormous publicity it would bring, the patriotic drumming of heart beats if a man should pull the executioner&#8217;s switch for one of his children, his wife or a parent. Here is a man who upholds the law, whatever the law might be.  Beat the drums, applaud him, place him in front of the cameras.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s sad that we have so many who would rather look good than be good, who would rather dismiss problems than resolve them.  Even without the question of guilt in the equation, or the disproportionate numbers for people of color, there are many reasons for killing.  If you can&#8217;t perceive of a reason for a person to kill, than you have no place as a judge or on a jury that decides the extent of guilt and whether or not it should be punishable by death.  Your pronouncement of death not only places you in the same bed as the murderer and executioner, if your lips have proclaimed, &#8220;murdering is against the law and punishable by death,&#8221; you are a hypocrite.  You have just enabled a body of people to commit murder and sanctified it by calling it law.  The government should not be above the law, and the law should not turn us into automatons, willing to destroy family members and turn our backs on our homes in the interest of serving it.</p>
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		<title>By: Astra Navigo (Author)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Astra Navigo (Author)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 22:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Grainne - yes; sadly; this is what we&#039;ve come to.

(Should have seen some of the comments I received on this piece elsewhere -- there was a Fundie fellow who said - without flinching, I believe - that he would &#039;throw the switch&#039; on one of his children, his wife, or his parents if they&#039;d committed a &#039;capital crime&#039;.

Seriously.

The whole nation is bloody.

-Will</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Grainne &#8211; yes; sadly; this is what we&#8217;ve come to.</p>
<p>(Should have seen some of the comments I received on this piece elsewhere &#8212; there was a Fundie fellow who said &#8211; without flinching, I believe &#8211; that he would &#8216;throw the switch&#8217; on one of his children, his wife, or his parents if they&#8217;d committed a &#8216;capital crime&#8217;.</p>
<p>Seriously.</p>
<p>The whole nation is bloody.</p>
<p>-Will</p>
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