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		<title>By: Electric Bikes</title>
		<link>http://subversify.com/2009/11/25/american-values-and-thanksgiving/comment-page-1/#comment-12165</link>
		<dc:creator>Electric Bikes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 19:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great articles &amp; Nice a site….</description>
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		<title>By: Juliana Goffigan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juliana Goffigan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 15:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello,I love reading through your blog, I wanted to leave a little comment to support you and wish you a good continuation. Wishing you the best of luck for all your blogging efforts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,I love reading through your blog, I wanted to leave a little comment to support you and wish you a good continuation. Wishing you the best of luck for all your blogging efforts.</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; Subversify Magazine Â» Blog Archive Â» American &#8216;values&#8217; and &#8230; James&#8217;s Random Journal</title>
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		<dc:creator>&#187; Subversify Magazine Â» Blog Archive Â» American &#8216;values&#8217; and &#8230; James&#8217;s Random Journal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 01:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] forces of heathen darkness â the first recorded, official &#8216; Thanksgiving &#8216;. &#8230;Read More&#8230;     You can follow any responses to this entry through the RSS 2.0 feed. You can leave a response, [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Christopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 19:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I knew that the &quot;official&quot; history was a lie (but then again, what is history but an agreed-upon fiction?), but even if it was not I still don&#039;t much care for this holiday - all it means for me is that my workplace is turned into a living hell and I get a little bit of time off as a reward for enduring it.  So I will say right now what I&#039;ve been meaning to express for a long time: fuck this holiday - and fuck that overly-glorified day of commercialism that comes about a month afterwards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I knew that the &#8220;official&#8221; history was a lie (but then again, what is history but an agreed-upon fiction?), but even if it was not I still don&#8217;t much care for this holiday &#8211; all it means for me is that my workplace is turned into a living hell and I get a little bit of time off as a reward for enduring it.  So I will say right now what I&#8217;ve been meaning to express for a long time: fuck this holiday &#8211; and fuck that overly-glorified day of commercialism that comes about a month afterwards.</p>
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		<title>By: Helzer Algernon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helzer Algernon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Nov 2009 05:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow  , it&#039;s Thanksgiving Day! I&#039;m enjoying my extra day off, and I am planning to doing something fun that will probably involve a car trip and seeing something new in Fabens I haven&#039;t seen yet.
You write something new at Thanksgiving?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow  , it&#8217;s Thanksgiving Day! I&#8217;m enjoying my extra day off, and I am planning to doing something fun that will probably involve a car trip and seeing something new in Fabens I haven&#8217;t seen yet.<br />
You write something new at Thanksgiving?</p>
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		<title>By: Astra Navigo (author)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Astra Navigo (author)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 20:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As an historian, I know all too well that there are successful stories regarding the blending of cultures.

Unfortunately, these are, indeed, too far and few-between to be of cultural worth - in fact, they are significant by their rarity.

I&#039;ve often pointed out the ugly truth of American Thanksgiving; in fact, at age 13 I told my parents that I really didn&#039;t want to &#039;do Christmas&#039; any more, because it had nothing to do with anything of a spiritual nature, but had rather become a Celebration of Greed.

The American Celebration of Greed and Gluttony (commencing today, and ending on December 25th) is a month-long orgy of the very worst in American society - so much so that our very economy depends on it.

Hate is a strong word - I don&#039;t like being responsible for its proper use, so I use it sparingly - but I&#039;ll say it plain:  I &lt;i&gt;hate&lt;/i&gt; this time of year.  

Seemingly though, we &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; &#039;need&#039; this day -- and all the days between now and then, culminating with finding out how much &#039;swag&#039; we&#039;ve scored from friends, family, and relatives.   We need to prove how much we have.    

We need to prove how much we make - or can borrow.

We need this time of year as much as a cheater needs his mistress -- someone to prove to him that he&#039;s young and beautiful again, even when he&#039;s not.

All it takes is money.

Cheers!

-Will (&quot;Astra&quot;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an historian, I know all too well that there are successful stories regarding the blending of cultures.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, these are, indeed, too far and few-between to be of cultural worth &#8211; in fact, they are significant by their rarity.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve often pointed out the ugly truth of American Thanksgiving; in fact, at age 13 I told my parents that I really didn&#8217;t want to &#8216;do Christmas&#8217; any more, because it had nothing to do with anything of a spiritual nature, but had rather become a Celebration of Greed.</p>
<p>The American Celebration of Greed and Gluttony (commencing today, and ending on December 25th) is a month-long orgy of the very worst in American society &#8211; so much so that our very economy depends on it.</p>
<p>Hate is a strong word &#8211; I don&#8217;t like being responsible for its proper use, so I use it sparingly &#8211; but I&#8217;ll say it plain:  I <i>hate</i> this time of year.  </p>
<p>Seemingly though, we <i>do</i> &#8216;need&#8217; this day &#8212; and all the days between now and then, culminating with finding out how much &#8216;swag&#8217; we&#8217;ve scored from friends, family, and relatives.   We need to prove how much we have.    </p>
<p>We need to prove how much we make &#8211; or can borrow.</p>
<p>We need this time of year as much as a cheater needs his mistress &#8212; someone to prove to him that he&#8217;s young and beautiful again, even when he&#8217;s not.</p>
<p>All it takes is money.</p>
<p>Cheers!</p>
<p>-Will (&#8220;Astra&#8221;)</p>
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		<title>By: grainnerhuad</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 18:47:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have long eschewed Thanksgiving the holiday, not because I&#039;m not thankful for so many things but in part because of the lies behind it which you so succinctly pointed out.  Also the enforced family time which ends up in so many homes to be an ugly thing seems counter-productive.  
I do agree with Karla, there are some success stories, but they are few and far between.  Unfourtunately our forefathers had little thought for those who may hold different beliefs and equally unfourtunate we are witnessing a return in full force to this mindset.  
I am for family, for supportive coming together for celebrating one another but if we need a day of enforced engorgement followed by extreme consumerism, there is something painfully wrong with us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have long eschewed Thanksgiving the holiday, not because I&#8217;m not thankful for so many things but in part because of the lies behind it which you so succinctly pointed out.  Also the enforced family time which ends up in so many homes to be an ugly thing seems counter-productive.<br />
I do agree with Karla, there are some success stories, but they are few and far between.  Unfourtunately our forefathers had little thought for those who may hold different beliefs and equally unfourtunate we are witnessing a return in full force to this mindset.<br />
I am for family, for supportive coming together for celebrating one another but if we need a day of enforced engorgement followed by extreme consumerism, there is something painfully wrong with us.</p>
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		<title>By: karlsie</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 00:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wouldn&#039;t it be wonderful if, instead of simply gorging themselves on a feast that supposedly represents the first Thanksgiving dinner (and probably most our modern tastes would reject perhaps half the things they ate that day) people would take the time to consider the impact the European invasion had on the lives of the American Native people.  

Not every history is a negative one.  There have been some successful cultural blending, although unfortunately, there is still a long way to go.  The pioneer community i was raised in grew up next to an Indian village.  The cross-cultural children made it an exercise to list what the Native and the pioneer cultures gave each other to improve their life styles.  They listed, for the Native gifts, their knowledge of the terrain and accompanying fishing, hunting and survival skills, sun glasses against the blinding snow, dog sleds and superior cold weather clothing.  From the pioneers, they received technology; the rifle, axe, hammer and saw, and the snow machine so prevalent in rural culture today.  They learned about sewing machines and kitchen stoves.  They learned to bake fried bread; a delicacy so popular, it became an integrated part of Native foods.  This exercise has done much in serving as a bridge between the two cultures.  By acknowledging each others contributions, we realize more deeply our equality.  

We can&#039;t change the wrongs of the past, but we can change our attitudes about them.  We can quit feeling justified in contributing to injustice.  We could strive to be more culturally integrated, more understanding.  We could acknowledge equality and that everyone has something special, something worthwhile, to share.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wouldn&#8217;t it be wonderful if, instead of simply gorging themselves on a feast that supposedly represents the first Thanksgiving dinner (and probably most our modern tastes would reject perhaps half the things they ate that day) people would take the time to consider the impact the European invasion had on the lives of the American Native people.  </p>
<p>Not every history is a negative one.  There have been some successful cultural blending, although unfortunately, there is still a long way to go.  The pioneer community i was raised in grew up next to an Indian village.  The cross-cultural children made it an exercise to list what the Native and the pioneer cultures gave each other to improve their life styles.  They listed, for the Native gifts, their knowledge of the terrain and accompanying fishing, hunting and survival skills, sun glasses against the blinding snow, dog sleds and superior cold weather clothing.  From the pioneers, they received technology; the rifle, axe, hammer and saw, and the snow machine so prevalent in rural culture today.  They learned about sewing machines and kitchen stoves.  They learned to bake fried bread; a delicacy so popular, it became an integrated part of Native foods.  This exercise has done much in serving as a bridge between the two cultures.  By acknowledging each others contributions, we realize more deeply our equality.  </p>
<p>We can&#8217;t change the wrongs of the past, but we can change our attitudes about them.  We can quit feeling justified in contributing to injustice.  We could strive to be more culturally integrated, more understanding.  We could acknowledge equality and that everyone has something special, something worthwhile, to share.</p>
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