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		<title>By: grainnerhuad</title>
		<link>http://subversify.com/2009/09/28/spirituality-and-religion-a-monks-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-3190</link>
		<dc:creator>grainnerhuad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 19:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Dharmacharya Gurudas Sunyatananda</title>
		<link>http://subversify.com/2009/09/28/spirituality-and-religion-a-monks-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-3186</link>
		<dc:creator>Dharmacharya Gurudas Sunyatananda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 04:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another note: 

Mondragon, I did NOT personally enter my article in the interface, therefore, I had NO CONTROL over where the author&#039;s bio was placed. Get over yourself, please!</description>
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<p>Mondragon, I did NOT personally enter my article in the interface, therefore, I had NO CONTROL over where the author&#8217;s bio was placed. Get over yourself, please!</p>
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		<title>By: Dharmacharya Gurudas Sunyatananda</title>
		<link>http://subversify.com/2009/09/28/spirituality-and-religion-a-monks-perspective/comment-page-1/#comment-3185</link>
		<dc:creator>Dharmacharya Gurudas Sunyatananda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 04:38:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Deb, Cal and Grainner, thank you for the kind comments and contribution to the discussion.

Marco, because I believe that religious fundamentalism is a mental illness, and find Christianity to be one of the most pathologically disturbed misappropriations of the teachings of the (possibly historic) Rav Yeshua (Jesus), I will simply respond with one word: &quot;Namaste&quot;. I continue to pray for your psychological and emotional healing.

Mondragon, your comments are baseless and demonstrate the kind of violence with which you apparently treat yourself. (I&#039;ve actually spoken on that very thing here: (http://blog.dharmadudeunplugged.com/?p=474). 

Those familiar with the Contemplative Order of Compassion, and its two constituent sites: DharmadudeUnplugged.com and OrderOfCompassion.com, know an can attest to the things you conveniently chose to overlook in your in-depth assessment:

1.) There is no hierarchy in our spiritual community. Therefore, I do not have the &quot;authority&quot; to override things, simply because I am the recognised lama of this particular spiritual path. That means that I don&#039;t get to arbitrarily choose what gets put on the website. 

2.) The website DharmaDudeUnplugged.com was created by several members of our community, while I was completely incapacitated with a shattered arm. It&#039;s not even hosted on our server, so I have been unable to get to it to remove some of what I consider &quot;fluffy adulation&quot; and &quot;lamaism&quot; (guru praise), that is unnecessary. I have addressed those concerns to the community, and expect to be given consent to offer strong suggestions for a revamp of that site this coming month.

3.) I have never taken money from the Order for personal use. Period. For 27 years, I was, in fact, the sole financial benefactor for the Order, including six monastic/contemplative houses, and 48 monks. Only in the past year have we asked our students to consider helping with several needs that have arisen out of my being no longer able to work. If that&#039;s offensive to you, it&#039;s your right to think so. I find nothing unethical about it.

4.) Finally, I am well aware of who you are, and your agenda (having been exposed in our own blogs) is pitifully demonstrative of deep psychological issues, for which I sincerely hope you get some help. I would, however, suggest that if you&#039;re going to comment here, you add some substance to your remarks, since unsubstantiated attacks are little more than sophomoric jabs, and make you look pretty petty.

Peace!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Deb, Cal and Grainner, thank you for the kind comments and contribution to the discussion.</p>
<p>Marco, because I believe that religious fundamentalism is a mental illness, and find Christianity to be one of the most pathologically disturbed misappropriations of the teachings of the (possibly historic) Rav Yeshua (Jesus), I will simply respond with one word: &#8220;Namaste&#8221;. I continue to pray for your psychological and emotional healing.</p>
<p>Mondragon, your comments are baseless and demonstrate the kind of violence with which you apparently treat yourself. (I&#8217;ve actually spoken on that very thing here: (<a href="http://blog.dharmadudeunplugged.com/?p=474" rel="nofollow">http://blog.dharmadudeunplugged.com/?p=474</a>). </p>
<p>Those familiar with the Contemplative Order of Compassion, and its two constituent sites: DharmadudeUnplugged.com and OrderOfCompassion.com, know an can attest to the things you conveniently chose to overlook in your in-depth assessment:</p>
<p>1.) There is no hierarchy in our spiritual community. Therefore, I do not have the &#8220;authority&#8221; to override things, simply because I am the recognised lama of this particular spiritual path. That means that I don&#8217;t get to arbitrarily choose what gets put on the website. </p>
<p>2.) The website DharmaDudeUnplugged.com was created by several members of our community, while I was completely incapacitated with a shattered arm. It&#8217;s not even hosted on our server, so I have been unable to get to it to remove some of what I consider &#8220;fluffy adulation&#8221; and &#8220;lamaism&#8221; (guru praise), that is unnecessary. I have addressed those concerns to the community, and expect to be given consent to offer strong suggestions for a revamp of that site this coming month.</p>
<p>3.) I have never taken money from the Order for personal use. Period. For 27 years, I was, in fact, the sole financial benefactor for the Order, including six monastic/contemplative houses, and 48 monks. Only in the past year have we asked our students to consider helping with several needs that have arisen out of my being no longer able to work. If that&#8217;s offensive to you, it&#8217;s your right to think so. I find nothing unethical about it.</p>
<p>4.) Finally, I am well aware of who you are, and your agenda (having been exposed in our own blogs) is pitifully demonstrative of deep psychological issues, for which I sincerely hope you get some help. I would, however, suggest that if you&#8217;re going to comment here, you add some substance to your remarks, since unsubstantiated attacks are little more than sophomoric jabs, and make you look pretty petty.</p>
<p>Peace!</p>
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		<title>By: Mondragon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mondragon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 19:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s all been said before.  You share nothing new with the world.

Not to mention that a quick look over of your site reveals you are more interested in people giving you money so you don&#039;t have to take care of yourself, AND you SEEM to be more about how everyone else hates you, nobody likes you, why don&#039;t you go eat some worms.

You really need to get over yourself.  Who else would post a blurb about their accomplishments BEFORE the article?  Everyone who has a blurb about themselves, and they are few and far between (which also talks about pride), has their &quot;blurb&quot; after the article.  Like Marco said, &quot;...Pride...&quot; (I don&#039;t much agree with anything else he said, but hey...  that&#039;s why we are free to disagree...)

Then you solidify it with the following:
&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;Dharmacharya Gurudas Sunyatananda&quot;&gt;Thomas Paine described religions best, I think, when he said, “All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Uh...  isn&#039;t that exactly what you are doing?  At least that&#039;s what it looks like from the outside looking in.  Now you may very well just be writing your little rants, and ridicules, but it does appear you are trying to create yet another way for people to be controlled: by you!

Sorry, but your article simply holds no water and you speak in dualities.  Must be that dual personality disorder of being what kind of catholic, and a buddhist for how long?  No sir, I&#039;ll stick with my &quot;nature&quot; based belief system.  At least I see the results of my faith experiences.  What about you?  are you better off, or do you just want more people to support you financially.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s all been said before.  You share nothing new with the world.</p>
<p>Not to mention that a quick look over of your site reveals you are more interested in people giving you money so you don&#8217;t have to take care of yourself, AND you SEEM to be more about how everyone else hates you, nobody likes you, why don&#8217;t you go eat some worms.</p>
<p>You really need to get over yourself.  Who else would post a blurb about their accomplishments BEFORE the article?  Everyone who has a blurb about themselves, and they are few and far between (which also talks about pride), has their &#8220;blurb&#8221; after the article.  Like Marco said, &#8220;&#8230;Pride&#8230;&#8221; (I don&#8217;t much agree with anything else he said, but hey&#8230;  that&#8217;s why we are free to disagree&#8230;)</p>
<p>Then you solidify it with the following:</p>
<blockquote cite="Dharmacharya Gurudas Sunyatananda"><p>Thomas Paine described religions best, I think, when he said, “All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.”</p></blockquote>
<p>Uh&#8230;  isn&#8217;t that exactly what you are doing?  At least that&#8217;s what it looks like from the outside looking in.  Now you may very well just be writing your little rants, and ridicules, but it does appear you are trying to create yet another way for people to be controlled: by you!</p>
<p>Sorry, but your article simply holds no water and you speak in dualities.  Must be that dual personality disorder of being what kind of catholic, and a buddhist for how long?  No sir, I&#8217;ll stick with my &#8220;nature&#8221; based belief system.  At least I see the results of my faith experiences.  What about you?  are you better off, or do you just want more people to support you financially.</p>
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		<title>By: Marco Gracin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marco Gracin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 05:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yada, yada, yada... all sounds very nice, because this &quot;spiritual&quot; position appeals to intellect and pride.  It also requires nothing of you, really.  There is a singular Truth and it doesn&#039;t need you to agree with it to be true.  However, you&#039;ll agree when you stand before the Almighty God and wet your pants because you thumbed your nose at Him in this very short life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yada, yada, yada&#8230; all sounds very nice, because this &#8220;spiritual&#8221; position appeals to intellect and pride.  It also requires nothing of you, really.  There is a singular Truth and it doesn&#8217;t need you to agree with it to be true.  However, you&#8217;ll agree when you stand before the Almighty God and wet your pants because you thumbed your nose at Him in this very short life.</p>
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		<title>By: grainnerhuad</title>
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		<dc:creator>grainnerhuad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Oct 2009 18:27:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for this article.  While some of the comments were lost, there was a lot of positive feedback.  As always, you outlined in understandable terms what so many of us strive to get across.  Being &quot;good&quot; and doing &quot;goodworks&quot; does not require a membership card in any orgainized religion.  Indeed if one requires that sort of pass, the arguement could be made they are not doing good for goodness sake, but rather because of fear and/or shame.  Neither of these are conducive to actual true compassion.  Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this article.  While some of the comments were lost, there was a lot of positive feedback.  As always, you outlined in understandable terms what so many of us strive to get across.  Being &#8220;good&#8221; and doing &#8220;goodworks&#8221; does not require a membership card in any orgainized religion.  Indeed if one requires that sort of pass, the arguement could be made they are not doing good for goodness sake, but rather because of fear and/or shame.  Neither of these are conducive to actual true compassion.  Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Cal Jennings</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cal Jennings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 23:15:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You might call me a Christian Buddhist.  I believe that Jesus existed, but I look past what the religions teach and look at what Jesus was really trying to teach.  It&#039;s quite different from what you hear in the churches.  I think Christ set a good example for people to follow if they look close enough to see what he really did and taught.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might call me a Christian Buddhist.  I believe that Jesus existed, but I look past what the religions teach and look at what Jesus was really trying to teach.  It&#8217;s quite different from what you hear in the churches.  I think Christ set a good example for people to follow if they look close enough to see what he really did and taught.</p>
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		<title>By: Debosophy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debosophy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Sep 2009 00:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Loved the Spirituality vs Religion article and totally agree that one has pretty much nothing to do with the other, seeing as I am a spiritualist, yet abhor religion and I also agree about the Mithra and Horus (and Krishna) - all gods WELL before this Jesus fellow came on the scene and all those &quot;mythical gods&quot; had an awful lot in common with Jesus - I blogged about it some months ago on my domain, so it was kind of vindicating that a person &quot;in the know&quot; agrees with me.

Incredibly insightful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loved the Spirituality vs Religion article and totally agree that one has pretty much nothing to do with the other, seeing as I am a spiritualist, yet abhor religion and I also agree about the Mithra and Horus (and Krishna) &#8211; all gods WELL before this Jesus fellow came on the scene and all those &#8220;mythical gods&#8221; had an awful lot in common with Jesus &#8211; I blogged about it some months ago on my domain, so it was kind of vindicating that a person &#8220;in the know&#8221; agrees with me.</p>
<p>Incredibly insightful.</p>
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