War On Another Front!

handshakingBy The David

There is most definitely a war being waged in this country of ours, and it seems to be rapidly on a course that will become nuclear. I am not talking about the so-called “War on Terrorism.” Should this new war of which I speak continue to escalate unchecked, the United States will be a country that can no longer be effectively governed. For anyone who feels this is hyperbole, all they would need to do is look at what is happening at this time.

The so-called “Health Care debate which in reality is anything but a debate, has shown the presence of such hatred for the President that any intelligent give and take is impossible. There is instead, name calling of the most vicious sort. Because of a proposal for Universal Health Care in the United States, the President is accused of being a Nazi, and is pictured as Hitler, complete with Nazi uniform and the hated swastika. The Libertarian followers of the ex-convict Lyndon LaRouche have teamed up with the Republican Conservative movement to make any calm exchange at Town Meetings next to impossible.

The vocal opposition is not a part of a grass-roots movement. It is not a matter of a constituency that has read the Health Care proposals and what they can do for the country. It is instead a fully orchestrated effort on the part of those whose main consideration is to see this President fail. Talking (shouting) points have been given out. Signs have been distributed, and some of these are the ugliest seen in recent memory. The President has been hanged in effigy, a remarkably racist way to protest. Hate-speak has been propagated by Limbaugh, Beck, O’Reilly, Michael Steele and at least a score of others. The invective has been picked up by the “ditto-heads,” and subsequently, too many of us have had our heads turned, and our own support for both the President and this essential bill has started to erode.

We are at a crossroads.

Do we allow Fox News and Rush Limbaugh to become the de facto group that governs the United States of America? The country voted for change, and that change in this important area is being blocked by those who would perpetuate their lies about Death Panels, lack of available care for elders, lack of available care for Republicans, enforcement of (fictitious) rules against choosing your own doctor, rationing of care, and the slander against the far superior Health care systems of the UK, Germany, Sweden, France, Canada and others who have put Universal Health Care into effect. We need to realize that the main reason for most of the opposition to the President’s proposal is that it is just that: The President’s Proposal.

This President has not been in office for eight years. This President has not, through major lies, led us into a war that devastated a country, killed thousands of our young people, maimed others in unknown numbers, and wiped out many thousands of civilians and laid waste to a culture. This President did not gut many of our Rights under the Constitution. This President has not played one side of the political spectrum against the other. This President did not ignore an economy that was being laid waste by greed, an economy that was being laid waste because of ineffective government oversight. That was, we should remember, the previous President and his administration……. The administration that enjoyed the praise of the same group that now fosters all of this hate.

President Obama is the President we elected less than a year ago. This is the President who captured our thoughts, resurrected our ideals and promised us a change. Now in his first major effort we are about to see him cut off at the knees. And make no mistake about it, it IS personal.

If you think for a moment that it is not personal, look at this week’s brouhaha. The President planned to make a short web-speech for the students of the country. One would think that the President addressing school children would be a good thing. As a child I was taught to respect the President and our government. Yes, political differences do come later, but as a child, isn’t respect for the government a part of innocence? How can parents or school officials instill such distrust in a youngster because of their own political leanings or prejudices. There is something about this that is not morally right. How does one explain to a little one that they will not be going to school because the President is speaking over the web.

Do we remember that when our previous President actually visited schools and by example taught the children they could read from a book while holding it upside down? There was no hue and cry that would have him dishonored and have the students not show up because he was to be there. To bring children into this fight is unconscionable.

I do believe the far-right is at war with this President. Rifles, revolvers, automatic weapons, all of these have been brought to Town Hall Meetings where the President is present. What reason could there be for their presence, except to provide a means for intimidation of the crowd. I shudder to think what might happen if someone or something enflames that same crowd. There is no way, legal or otherwise, that a thinking man or woman should be anywhere in proximity to any US President while carrying a firearm.

I am a gay man, and as such, I am very afraid to think what this opposition to any Barak Obama proposal might mean for future social legislation in this country. I am worried about the course of GLBT Rights and the promised reversal of the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA) and the hateful, unworkable “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell.” Will hate-speak block these in the same way health care reform is being blocked. Gay Rights Issues are more controversial in many ways, so it could be that what you are seeing now is a harbinger of what is to come in the next years. If people are not willing to rise up against this unreasonable and unreasoned onslaught being directed at every move this President makes, then what we reap will be more of the same things we experienced during the Bush years. We have an obligation not to remain silent, or when the legislation dear to our hearts is proposed, we will be victims of this same flaming from the fanatics to the Right..

I cannot believe this is what the majority of voters are looking for. We can either act, or live in a world where any hope of effective government has been hijacked and we are left in the smoldering ruins of what truly was a “Noble Experiment.”

About karlsie

Some great perversity of nature decided to give me a tune completely out of keeping with the general symphony; possibly from the moment of conception. I learned to read and speak almost simultaneously. The blurred and muffled world I heard through my first five years of random nerve loss deafness suddenly came alive with the clarity of how those words sounded on paper. I had been liberated for communications. I decided there was nothing more wonderful than writing. It was easier to write than carefully modulate my speech for correct pronunciation, and it was easier to read than patiently follow the movements of people’s lips to learn what they were saying. It was during that dawning time period, while I slowly made the connection that there weren’t that many other people who heard the way I did, halfway between sound and music, half in deafness, that I began to understand that the tune I was following wasn’t quite the same as that of my classmates. I was just a little different. General education taught me not only was I just a little isolated from my classmates, my home was just a little isolated from the outside world. I was born in Alaska, making me part of one of the smallest, quietest minorities on earth. I decided I could live with this. What I couldn’t live with was discovering a few years later, in the opening up of the pipeline, which coincided with my first year of junior college, that there were entire communities of people; more than I could possibly imagine; living impossibly one on top of another in vast cities. It wasn’t even the magnitude of this vision that inspired me so much as the visitors who came from these populous regions and seemed to possess a knowledge so great and secretive I could never learn it in any book. I became at once, very conscious of how rural I was and how little I knew beyond the scope of my environment. I decided it was time to travel. The rest is history; or at least, the content of my stories. I traveled... often to college campuses, dropping in and out of school until one fine day by chance I’d fashioned a bachelor of arts degree in psychology. I’ve worked a couple of newspapers, had a few poems and stories tossed around in various small presses, never receiving a great deal of money, which I’m assured is the norm for a writer. I spent ten years in Mexico, watching the peso crash. There is some obscure reason why I did this, tightening up my belt and facing hunger, but I believe at the time I said it was for love. Here I am, back home, in my beloved Alaska. I’ve learned somewhat of a worldly viewpoint; at least I like to flatter myself that way. I’ve also learned my rural roots aren’t so bad after all. I work in a small, country store. Every day I greet the same group of local customers, but make no mistake. My store isn’t a scene out of Andy Griffith. The people who enter the establishment, which also includes showers, laundry and movie rentals, are miners, oil workers, truck drivers, construction engineers, dog sled racers and carpenters. Sometimes, on the liquor side, the conversations became adult only in vocabulary. It’s a good thing, on the opposite side of the store is a candy aisle filled with the most astonishing collection, it will keep a kid occupied with just wishing for hours. If you tell your kids they can have just one, you have an instant baby sitter; better than television; as they agonize over their choice while you catch up on the gossip with your neighbor. We also receive a lot of tourists, a lot of foreign visitors. They are usually amazed at this first sign of Alaskan rural life style beyond the insulating hub of the Anchorage bowl. Many of them like to hang around and chat. They gawk at our thieves wanted posters. They laugh at our jokes and camaraderie with our customers. I’ve learned another lesson while working there. You don’t have to go out and find the world. If you wait long enough, it comes to you.

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16 Comments on “War On Another Front!”

  1. While I’m not Right-Wing nut (I’ve rejected labels, but if you put me on a spectrum I’d fall close to the “Anarcho-Capitalist” position – but even there I don’t quite fit in…), I must say the fellows baring their fangs via firearms at the rallies do have an idea that could be productive: for too long has the political class (this includes *both* major parties) considered themselves to be the rulers of the masses in a pseudo-caesership that has emerged since the days of the New Deal – perhaps a few armed citizens facing them down might serve as a potent reminded that they are public *servants,* not rulers that can freely tax us and spend it on any frivolous project they can think of to buy votes.

  2. I have often been criticized for being right wing in my views, and have accepted the fact that I don’t point out that I fall into some of the thoughts in that categor people get confused and concern themeslves with what I am rather than who. It is unfortunate that so much of the American populace has now adopted their beliefs to be ‘the truth’ and use the royal “we” as an excuse to take whole ownership of those beliefs. The “Truth is truth” mentality is tripe and the only thing it does is close the mind of those who mistake their beliefs for the truth. Once something is proclaimed “the truth” then any oppositional ideas to that is a sin which cannot be allowed to exist. Unfortunately this mentality is far easier than challenging one’s own beliefs and trying to accommodate or alter one’s own thinking to see the other side of the coin and treating those who don’t hold those same beliefs with less respect.

    It is a sad statement that you have to feel afraid of the future of any legislation that debases your choice of sexuality; it’s my belief that sexual orientation is no one’s business but your own, especially that of the government’s as whether a person is straight, gay, or bi. Sexuality does not negate or elevate your right to voice an opinion on a matter or should it be taken into consideration for overly generalized social strategies. Do you and I agree on some issues? No, of course not, but in your previous article on public health care you did present a few points that made me examine my own beliefs and alter them accordingly. It is just a pity that there is a large sector of people out there that are so afraid of admitting that they could be wrong in their logic which would lower their self esteem in only their eyes and those who are closed minded, that they hide themselves behind “the truth”. That’s the real problem in not only American politics but politics as a whole, change is seen as a weakness when it should be seen as being a positive in terms of being dynamic enough to meet the need of the masses. Hopefully one day there will be a realization that politics, like religion, has no place in the social construct of populace behavioural parameters.

  3. Great write up, David.

    I’m basically a conservative with radical viewpoints. I stand sort of in the middle of Obama. I do think the criticism he has faced has been very unfair, as if he was a president manufactured to fail. There’s a lot of subversion from the right wing, just as much as the left wing was trying to subvert Bush’s administration. Though miraculously, it took the nation 5-6 years to turn on him.

    That said, I understand why it is happening. This is a country built on values of capitalism, white power and religious fanaticism. Since Obama seems to be the anti-thesis of all of those things, and worse yet, seems to be so apologetic about his every action, of course society is going to hate him. Of course society is going to hate a president that suggests Americans must make sacrifices to repair their own flailing economy.

    But I just think it’s hypocritical that so many people take comfort in organizing Obama Is Anti-Christ fan clubs.

    “He’s a man. He’s just a man. And we’ve had so many men before, in very many ways, he’s just one more.”

  4. [QUOTE=The Late Mitchell Warren]Of course society is going to hate a president that suggests Americans must make sacrifices to repair their own flailing economy.[/QUOTE]

    But Obama’s economic policy (what he has demonstrated of it so far) is not all that different from that of the president that proceded him – Bush’s response to the recession was corporate bailouts to the tune of hundreds of billions and Obama’s response was to just throw over a trillion dollars in national debt (sold as a “stimulous package”) at the problem (debt which is now owned by foreign powers – particularly the Chicoms – BTW); much of that money essentially acting as bailout cash for failing industries!

    For all of Obama’s talk of “change” he hasn’t done all too much different from those that came before him – I have no reason to believe he is anything more than just another power-hungry political looking to expand the powers of government even further without any regard to the cost to the nation’s citizenry…

  5. the blog and comments are interesting, but like the situation we find ourselves in, hardly moving anything forward … is universal health care something that we need as a nation or not … do we spend more than any other country and get less … is a citizen gun carrying army to force their opinions our future ?? Are we a nation that protects minority rights only in principle and never in practice ?? is there a separation of church and state ?? are we a christian nation or a nation that respects the rights of all beliefs ?? I see this argument, not about healthcare, but about meanness and not so hidden hatred of anything that is compassionate and fair, there is a white-bread sense of entitlement and control … I think that the change that Obama promised, set against the conservative right’s absolute refusal to see anything beyond their own fears, will fail and we will sink in this arrogant morass to the point were, in 50 years, no one will recognize the America that comes to be. If you can accept what Joe Wilson said, even in the face of the facts, that he is a hero, than there will never be a chance in the future to have any dialogue, and that gun might be the only way to settle any argument. Joe WIlson is a shit, always was and always will be. His tan, tax payer paid fat face is that poster for the fascist of the future … This is not an argument, it is a mob being lead by people who have no interest in the weak or those in need. One would think that Bush and Cheney would have been lynched by now if there was any fairness and equity at all, but they find themselves just dandy in their retirement knowing that the hostile tone they set, seems to have taken hold like the virus that it is ….

  6. The comments are interesting and thought provoking. Some of them are frankly, scary. Christopher, do you really believe that “perhaps a few armed citizens facing them down might serve as a potent reminded that they are public *servants,*?” If you truly do, then you are advocating the death of democracy and the Republic… and replacing it with the seeds of a fascist take over.
    And in relation to your statement; “But Obama’s economic policy (what he has demonstrated of it so far) is not all that different from that of the president that proceded him” the difference is accountability that was lacking in the Bush efforts at bail-out has been made a part of the Obama package.

    A.B. Thomas, I agree with your statement that “It is a sad statement that you have to feel afraid of the future of any legislation that debases your choice of sexuality” It truly is sad, but one small point: my sexuality is not a choice, anymore than is yours. No one sits down and makes a decision that hmmmm I guess I’ll love women, or, I guess I’ll love men… or hey, how about trying both! Fact is, there has been no epiphany leading us to these situations. They just are!

    Mitchell, your last sentence, “He’s a man. He’s just a man. And we’ve had so many men before, in very many ways, he’s just one more.” is about as fair an assessment of any President as I have ever read. (Thanks to Tim Rice.)

    Rich: “is universal health care something that we need as a nation or not … do we spend more than any other country and get less … is a citizen gun carrying army to force their opinions our future ?? Are we a nation that protects minority rights only in principle and never in practice ?? is there a separation of church and state ?? are we a christian nation or a nation that respects the rights of all beliefs ?? I see this argument, not about healthcare, but about meanness and not so hidden hatred of anything that is compassionate and fair, there is a white-bread sense of entitlement and control …” offers questions that cover so many of the concerns worries and fears I have. When I look at the dark side of these issues and the possible way they could be shunted aside, the country we will be left with will be one where money and armed citizenry will be the only powers, and the weak and the disenfranchised will hurt and be trampled under. Not a pretty picture, but if we don’t start to care, it is where we are going.

  7. In all honesty, The David, my minority opinion is that the critics of Obama wouldn’t be quite so volatile if his skin had been white. He has become the scapegoat for every wrong doing committed, when this tangled web we’re trapped within has been in the weaving for a great many years. It amazes me and galls me when even perfectly intelligent people who have known about the corruption underlying every aspect of our social/political system for about as long as i’ve been born, will snarl away at Obama and squash every move he makes to try and correct some of the problems facing us.

    Our recession was inevitable. The limit had been reached in credit extension, real estate development and manufacturing. Our expectations and our extravagances were too great, for too long, for too many. It’s just that Obama was the one everyone said to “fix it” when the final acts of despot George made sure there wasn’t a whole lot left that could be fixed.

    Now, here is what i’m thinking. If we put all the minorities together; the blacks, the Native Americans, the Hispanics, the Asians, the fighting Irish, the gay community; the people who have stood out for one reason or another as not quite being agreeable with the dictates of what constitutes “normal” society; white not necessary, but “white” thinking is, preferably Christian, polite in a pseudo cultivated way, pleasantly middle class, asserting their love, but please understand, they are the guides along the path to truth and understanding; we are a rather large minority. Maybe the majority. We don’t just have able working class bodies. We have thinkers and musicians, artists and scholars, teachers, mathematicians and yes, a black, well-educated President. Probably a far better educated person than most of us, with an extremely daunting task. Maybe, just maybe, if this majority of minorities, got behind the wheel and pushed a little, we might begin to move forward. We have an infrastructure to rebuild, an economy that needs to get on its feet. In order to do this, we need to be healthy. Poverty minus medical attention equals epidemics in disease and fewer able bodied workers to build the transition into the new era.

  8. This is all quite frightening and here’s how I see the problem. Everyone here makes a good point.
    To Discount Christopher because he makes a point about bearing arms and reminding public servants that they are servants of the public is being short sighted. We are a country built by people who were thinkers first, and bore arms as an unltimate necessity. Is it necessary yet? That is for the individual to decide. I think it unecessary at this point when the government is not poiting guns at the public during public demonstrations, however, we should not forget that we weren’t a bunch of peace-nicks to begin with. And to brush aside the thinking he is presenting is to disenfranchise people which is never good.
    I agree that health care is not the real issue. It is a battle that has been set up between right and left and staged. I’ll say it again…Staged…because really right and left want the same thing here, they just want to be the ones to do it.
    I completely disagree that this is about a black President. It is convienient to use his race as a tool, but this would have happened if Al Gore got elected as well. Minorities can and should pull together however I think most people of color understand this is about much more than race.
    Religion has been thrown into the pot which frankly pisses me off. No true Christian who understood the tenents of their own faith would leave a starving struggling person by the wayside, we have all been taught the parable of the Good Samaritan. To angle religion into this arguement is evil in the extreme and sets people up to undo their own spiritual growth.
    I am afraid that the thinkers, musicians, poets, doctors, theologians are committing a crime by putting on blinders and not speaking up much the same as they did in China pre-communism when they thought, surely, surely those in charge don’t mean to throw learning aside. We don’t listen to our own good reasoning when it tells us to speak up and we will pay for that ultimately.
    Mr. Obama is faced with an unfourtunate position of being a catalyst. I fear his good intentions will not be recognized but he does have an opportunity to sway the American people in a more positive direction for the future. This is his role and it is up to the morally strong in all areas of life, faith and economic status to do the best they can to do the same.

  9. This thread becomes more and more interesting to me. I don’t discount Christopher for a moment because frankly the idea of guns being pointed at the officials we elected quite frankly scares hell out of me. I’ve seen too much violence in my life-time to not pay attention to those who might advocate the use of this type of persuasion. I would not, for a moment underestimate the value of any point of view to the debate though.

    I know the history of my country and I know it has, from the beginning been steeped in the violence of the gun. I know it was the answer when the colonists pushed for freedom from the abuses of George III. I also know the tragedy that is still the legacy of the War Between The States.

    I know them, but I also nurture the hope that we have come farther as people of conscience and the use of the gun to settle a political argument should be a thing of the past. We have the vote and the power of the word. Should those fail, I frankly don’t know where I would turn for a solution.

    But we need to remember, if guns are used, then anarchy may be all that is left, and the destruction of the Republic could easily follow.

  10. Grainne, i know it’s very difficult for people with no covert prejudices and strong religious faith to accept my statements, but my underlying convictions remain the same. Did anyone bring guns to town hall meetings while Bush was President? The greatest vitriol i ever saw in the entire term of his presidency came from the supporters of his special interest politicking as they pounded at those in opposition to his marriage with Big Oil and his illicit wars, calling them every name under the sun from liberal democrats to eco-terrorists. The majority minority voted in Obama, and the vitriol continues; on a much higher level of alert.

    Exactly what do these perpetrators of armageddon do to rally people to their sides? We’re not talking about wing nuts and crack jobs. We’re talking about ordinarily sensible people who are generally able to weigh out issues and reach logical conclusions. They are using an emotional arsenal; fear that the freedoms already removed from us will somehow be further diminished by any socialized enterprise,fear that Christianity will have to move aside as the leading religion and allow others to have a true voice, fear of a minority representative leading us.

    These underlying fears have united factions that would not ordinarily stand together. Because of their fears, they’ve lost the ability to look at matters rationally and work together to find answers for existing problems. Although they advocate change, they fear change. They fear that the white, middle class society that has made them affluent for so long will no longer be the leading voice to guide them. They will be in uncharted waters.

    I don’t believe Al Gore would have caused as much of a fervor, even if he had made exactly the same political moves as Obama. Yes, people would be furious about the bail-out, but would they bring guns to town hall meetings meant to discuss improvements in health care? Would there be as much rabid reaction to his address within the educational system, encouraging students to think of ways they could help their country? How was his encouragement any different than John F. Kennedy’s when he said, “ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country.”

    The very people who destroyed our economy and the fundamental spirit of our Constitution are now the ones who are whipping the Constitution around to churn the Bill of Rights advocates into a frenzy. They are following the leader they had opposed. This leader; a very loose term that symbolizes a status quo of the elite, who don’t care a whit for race, religion, intelligence or ability; only that they remain on top as the beneficiaries of any capitol gain that may be had by promoting rhetoric; whether the tools used to accomplish the goal are prejudice, our Bill of Rights, religion or an appeal to snub intellectuality or abilities.

    This society really does not care, but they fuel the fires of those that do. If anarchy is the means to accomplish their ends, then anarchy will do. The more we turn on each other, the more we forget to define our real enemy. It is the Hegalian Dialectic, used over and over effectively to sway the masses into single action. The principle is simple. Create a problem where none previously existed to divert from the real issues and possible solutions. The employment has been effective, uniting the Christian right, the racially prejudiced, the Constitutional freedom fighters under the same banner.

    Today, we have the greatest freedom we’ve had in years. We’re not free from hunger. We’re not free from hardship. We’re not free from debt. But we are free from the illusionists that had built their empire on lies. We are free to choose the direction America will take, but only if we unite under a common cause; one that safe guards our humanity and our freedom to make moral and ethical choices, one that plans carefully for the future of our children and doesn’t give way to quick solutions that lead to even more disastrous consequences. We have the freedom to make responsible decisions, to get behind the wheel that will lead to a better society, and push.

  11. Karla I think you are spot on with this statement.

    “Exactly what do these perpetrators of armageddon do to rally people to their sides? We’re not talking about wing nuts and crack jobs. We’re talking about ordinarily sensible people who are generally able to weigh out issues and reach logical conclusions. They are using an emotional arsenal; fear that the freedoms already removed from us will somehow be further diminished by any socialized enterprise,fear that Christianity will have to move aside as the leading religion and allow others to have a true voice, fear of a minority representative leading us.

    These underlying fears have united factions that would not ordinarily stand together. Because of their fears, they’ve lost the ability to look at matters rationally and work together to find answers for existing problems. Although they advocate change, they fear change. They fear that the white, middle class society that has made them affluent for so long will no longer be the leading voice to guide them. They will be in uncharted waters.”

    It is the religious fervor that I am more concerned with as people of all colors are getting involved in that. Black ministers are calling for a cleansing of the “godless” and the question as to whether or not Mr. Obama is a Christian is more of an issue than his color. With so many atrocities committed over human history in the name of religions of all sorts it is this that makes me concerned.

    I truly do feel that Mr. Obama’s race is a convienient way of summarizing a bigger issue. This bigger issue has been put into play by his predicessor in the form of our government being “G-d called” as Mr. Bush put it to protect its people against evildoers…whomever is inconvienent or not of the persuasion to support the status quo machine.

  12. [QUOTE=theDavid]Christopher, do you really believe that “perhaps a few armed citizens facing them down might serve as a potent reminded that they are public *servants,*?” If you truly do, then you are advocating the death of democracy and the Republic… and replacing it with the seeds of a fascist take over.[/QUOTE]

    From where I’m standing, I see the “republic” as existing in name only – for all practical reasons and purposes, what we have here is an oligarchy ruled by the political class. Ever since the New Deal their power has expanded in all possible directions due to the fact that the common citizen was under the impression that such power was being used for the “greater good” (of course, there is no such thing – it’s just a myth invented to give legitimacy to social power plays).

    The political class were supposed to be servants when the nation was first formed but in the last several decades they have become the masters – I stand by my previous statement because I don’t think there are any socially-acceptable measures left for the sovreign citizen to take (and don’t say “go vote” – the elections are meaningless when you only have two options who are both owned by special interests).

  13. [QUOTE=Karlsie]Did anyone bring guns to town hall meetings while Bush was President?[/QUOTE]

    Unfortunately no – looking back on things I wish that some of us did, but that’s a lost opportunity now…

  14. Christopher, i do understand the underlying motivations of the Constitution defenders. It’s a rumble that began quite a few years ago and has gained momentum with growing rapidity as corruption scandals created more and more unrest. I have only one problem with this advocacy. Beyond an assertion of their rights, i hear very little about what they want. The Central American revolution has been very clear about what they want. They want clean foods and potable water. They want jobs and shelter. They don’t really have to squabble about health care. There is an affordability range for medical treatment and life saving drugs for anyone who needs it.

    The main agreement i have with the advocacy is the fallacy of our indebtedness to private banking institutions using fiat monies. The dollar, with nothing backing it except paper, is taking a major tumble. The responsibility for this should not rest on our shoulders, but whether or not it should, it does and we are all going to feel its effects. Now i’m back to what do we want? A new measurement of wealth? It’s started among many countries in the global community. What should this new measurement be? Precious metals? Energy resources?

    When you want something, be prepared to pay the consequences of what it takes to get it. I want a better future; one my children can believe in. I know this will mean a lot of personal sacrifice and fortitude. I know this will mean candid discussions at the global table. I know this will mean exposure after exposure of the whole rotten system until we’ve destroyed the core, but i will not stand on the same side as the Christian Right, the war perpetrators or the Capitalist hogs. I want what’s best for my children, and adequate health care definitely falls into that category.

  15. [QUOTE=karlsie]I have only one problem with this advocacy. Beyond an assertion of their rights, i hear very little about what they want. The Central American revolution has been very clear about what they want. They want clean foods and potable water. They want jobs and shelter.[/QUOTE]

    People tend to fight for what they do not have – in the case of these people it’s the basic necessities; in the case of sovreign individuals it’s for a non-intrusive (or at least a less intrusive) government.

    I can’t speak for all of us (as people like myself don’t really do identity politics), but as for me I wish to see…

    – An end to the failed social policies enacted over the last several decades – this means everything from the disaster “social security” has become to the retarded “war on drugs” our government has initiated. All such programs do is give the government an excuse to hike up taxes and pretend they are accomplishing something.

    – The dissolution of all government agencies that have outlived their purpose – this includes (among others) the FBI, ATF, FCC and the so-called Department of “Homeland Security” (we already have one and it’s called the *Department of Defense*). Such agencies have long outlived the purposes they were created to serve and now only exist to give the state more power to police the activities of individuals.

    – A dramatic increase in the powers that the common man can weild at his disposal – I’d like to see a sort of “a la carte” menu for taxation (pay only for the government services you *need*), all properties are owned by individuals and for them (read: and end to the practice of “eminent domain” – it’s just an excuse for government land grabs) and individuals may form legally recognized militia oufits for the defense of the local community (effectively ending the government’s monopoly on military force).

    I could go on, but this is just for starters…

    [QUOTE=karlsie]They don’t really have to squabble about health care. There is an affordability range for medical treatment and life saving drugs for anyone who needs it. [/QUOTE]

    Of course, such things aren’t really worth all that much when you are living and dying in poverty – are they? I see the so-called “free” medicine offered in such bannana republics as being a policy akin to the old Roman “Bread and Circuses” policy: give something to the plebeans to keep them quiet while they wallow and die in their own filth whilst the upper-class keeps taxing them dry.

    [QUOTE=karlsie]Now i’m back to what do we want? A new measurement of wealth? It’s started among many countries in the global community. What should this new measurement be? Precious metals? Energy resources?[/QUOTE]

    Good question – we both know that fiat money is a disaster waiting to happen, but what shall replace it? Personally, I’d like to see the basis of currency decided on a local level: so rather than one great currency used by all, every region has its own (based on its own resources) – sure this will create some chaos as exchange rates become difficult to calculate, but at least the fate of all currencies aren’t tied to one…

    [QUOTE=karlsie]I want a better future; one my children can believe in.[/QUOTE]

    A common desire – but a flawed one: a society that people believe in is the one that is most likely to exploit the individuals for the “greater good” (as I mentioned before, this is a fiction social orders love to utilize in power grabs). A society that is trusted will also be one that people are not likely to question as they see its actions (no matter how inconsistent or seemingly illogical) as ones that have the best interests of the people in mind (this is the beginning of a dictatorship).

    Instead, I wish to see the rise of a new culture – one based on perpetual doubt of the abilities and intentions of those in authority and that promotes the individual’s power to act against said authority when it begins to become intrusive (thus my desire to see local militias to counter-balance government-run police and military agencies).

  16. What ? I swear, They just don’t get it! The boarder is not the main problem.Its good to get extra funding but how about insted of spending 600 million lets save 100 billion and stop paying for illegals to be here!!! Don’t give them a reason to come over and the illegal population will drop by 3/4, the border can then be secured with what we already have. California spends 10.5 billion on the care of illegals, over half of the bugdet gap. And now they talk making them all legal for free, the flow across the boarder will ony grow larger. In my country they would cut your feet off if you crossed the boarder not pay you

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